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| Benjamin | Jul 10 2007, 06:43 PM Post #16 |
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Legally, there's nothing wrong with it, and to be honest, the only way I can really combat that is with morals. I believe that making money off of sex is wrong. Sex is meant to be private within a loving relationship; it's not meant to be broadcasted across the world. |
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| AgnosticAngel | Jul 10 2007, 06:46 PM Post #17 |
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The thing is not everyone agrees with that assessment of sex. Is it fair for you to apply your definition of sex to everyone else? If it infringed on your rights, or anyone's rights I'd say you have a point. But even though I agree with your sentiments regarding sex, I don't see how morally you can tell another person they must agree. Sex is personal, thus people should make their own sexual decisions including whether or not they're ok with selling sexual images, sexual acts, etc. |
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| Benjamin | Jul 10 2007, 06:50 PM Post #18 |
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Yes, I know I can't force anyone to agree with me. I'm simply stating my opinion. It's a very weak argument, but to be honest, it's really all I have. If the fact that it being legal justifies pornography, then I really can't fight that with my moral beliefs. Not everyone agrees. |
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| AgnosticAngel | Jul 10 2007, 06:55 PM Post #19 |
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I'm just differentiating between feeling it is immoral (I agree it is immoral in many respects, not all) and believing it should be illegal. There are many things I feel are immoral, but that I would support being legal because they do not infringe on anyone's rights. Murder, rape, theft, etc all infringe on someone's rights. Pornography, with the exception of child porn, rape videos and the like infringes on absolutely no one and is a 100% voluntary thing, thus even though I disagree with it morally I would fight for it to be legal. It's just if we made something like this illegal based on the premise that some people believe sex belongs ONLY in a loving, devoted relationship you run into the opposite group. What about those who say they believe sex is a natural beautiful thing to be shared by all? It just isn't fair to pick one over the other )at least in a country based on freedoms). So yeah all I am asking is for those who oppose pornography to express whether they just oppose it morally, or whether they would actually go so far as to say it should be illegal and to back up why it should be ![]() P.S. Nothing personal I am not aiming it just at you Benjamin just starting conversation
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| Storm the Chao | Jul 10 2007, 09:46 PM Post #20 |
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Eh, me being me, I'm gonna jump in. In my opinion none of it should be banned at all. What one person thinks shouldn't disrupt the enjoyment of others. Using "morals" to combat this is stupid as it really makes religion/morals look bad in the first place as they have people who slave to it like that. But hey, I'm not one of those people. Ive jokingly been called Storm the Anarchist before, and eh, its got some reason behind it: I simply have no morals. I really don't care what others want to do, as long as they don't shove it in my face. If someone likes child porn, let them be free at it. Just because one person thinks its sick doesn't mean others do, or else it wouldn't be on the internet in the first place. Not saying I don't think that's disgusting, but to each their own. |
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| OcelotJay-ZNR | Jul 10 2007, 11:32 PM Post #21 |
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I am kitteh, hear me purr. =(^_^)=
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Eh, I've defended pederasty in the past but child pornography is not consensual. In fact it generally consists of rape, molestation and manipulation. Now, one might argue that technically anyone under the legal age is considered a child but generally child pornography is dealt with as minors who are pre-teens, typically from the age of 5 upwards. Are you saying it's acceptable that adults are filming children - often not their own - either naked or being forced to engage in sexual activities with adults or othe children? I'm liberal to a fault but this is something that not only infringes on an individual - the child - but can actually be extremely harmful.
Amorality and anarchism are not one and the same, nor are they mutually inclusive. Anarchism is merely the belief that there should be no organised central government, while amorality means that you have no moral code, no sense of wrong or right or rather you don't adhere to codified beliefs of such affairs. Also, you seem to have some form of moral grounds if you find child pornography disgusting. While you say "each to their own", your note of disgust suggests some form of objection, even if only to the act itself, which is a base of morality. Unless of course, you merely meant you would not view it yourself. If you are truly amoral I assume you don't object (or hold any opinion over) the creation or distribution of child pornography, and all it entails as mentioned in my response to the first quote above. My general feelings on internet pornography is that it's something that should be controlled a bit better but it needn't be removed. One generally has a choice as to whether or not they view it. I often hear how others stumble across it but I wonder if they're protection or filters are really set up to deal with it. I've never had such issues myself. Since I live with a child we make it a point to ensure that all the necessary securities are in place. I'm not opposed to young children being introduced to sexuality but pornography is seldom educational for anyone who is too young, albeit I do think there comes an age where seeing sex actually helps. That may have once been an excuse for a more...curious Ocelot but there is truth in it. At the end of the day, it's not really my business and since adult pornography is consensual and done withing legal parameters I have little business in calling for its removal. It's a thriving business that does little harm, if any, to anyone who isn't actually participating.
While I echo Angel's sentiments, I would just point out that legality does not make anything truly justifiable. Perhaps legally, yes, but real justification requires more than "because the law says so". There are still obscure archaic laws in existence that are never practiced, long forgotten, but could, legally, be enforced. Truth is if anyone attempted to they would likely be abolished because being written in the law doesn't always constitute as being justified but there has to be a logical and reasonable reason before something can be outlawed. |
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| AgnosticAngel | Jul 11 2007, 12:09 AM Post #22 |
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I agree that legality doesn't justify anything. I was just merely encouraging people to differentiate whether they think it's immoral but should be legal or immoral and should be illegal. There are plenty of bad laws around the world, doesn't mean it is ok. Edit: And as far as child porn being ok as long as it is not shoved in your face...what about the child's face? I'm ok with almost everything legally as long as it does not infringe on someone's rights, but child porn infringes upon the child's because s/he is not able to make such a decision at an age such as 5. That's why I am ok with regular porn because it is consenting adults capable of making that decision. |
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| Benjamin | Jul 11 2007, 09:55 AM Post #23 |
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So you're saying that sex is a bad thing, but pornography is good? Since when was sex a bad thing? How is pornography justified through the fact that it decreases the amount of sex? Sex isn't a bad thing. The distortion of sex is a bad thing, and pornography is that distortion. |
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| .esoteric | Jul 11 2007, 04:18 PM Post #24 |
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Laffy Taffy Rots Your Teeth
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So you'd rather everyone go around ******* everyone else, spreading STDs more than they're already being spread killing and infecting tons more people, than have a guy jerk off sitting down in front of his computer? |
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| Storm the Chao | Jul 11 2007, 05:28 PM Post #25 |
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When I said that I kinda meant it wasn't my kinda thing. Yano. Everyone has stuff they like even if its like, weird, or something. Now, I'm not 100% sure what you meant at the end of that last one.. to be honest I don't really think its my problem and don't care, so eh, why should I have a say in what people should be allowed to do, if I have no interest in it? These kinda things BECOME problems when someone becomes nosy about it. |
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| Shroud | Jul 11 2007, 06:16 PM Post #26 |
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Know Your Enemy
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A pedophile who does not rape, engage a child in sex or fund organisations that do is alright in my eyes, everyone has their fantasies I guess. I mean people don't get punished for jerking off to some Japanese girl getting raped. |
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| .Koda | Jul 11 2007, 06:47 PM Post #27 |
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Yeah, I went there
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Honestly, Something like that should be illegal since the female didn't give consent for the video to be posted.... |
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| |p4|Brass Monkey | Jul 11 2007, 06:53 PM Post #28 |
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In second grade my friends were telling me about sex and you know, the anatomy of the body x_x Its f***ed up and they should stop it. (It meaning the ability for young children to look at porn) |
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| Benjamin | Jul 12 2007, 10:43 AM Post #29 |
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Did I say anything about rape? Sex is a good thing inside of a loving and devoted relationship. Pornography can cause people to have unfulfilled desires. Pornography could cause rape. |
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| Dimm | Jul 12 2007, 02:42 PM Post #30 |
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It is up to the parents to stop there young kids. The porn industry takes steps to try and stop it but they can't do it alone.
I disagree. Seeing as how I am not amoral like, yourself, I still view child pornography as disgusting, and vile. It is a problem to the child who, unwillingly is forced to do acts it wouldn't normally do. I think it becomes a problem when people disregard it. |
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