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Internet Pornography; From IFA.
Topic Started: Jul 10 2007, 08:40 AM (1,168 Views)
Numark
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Jul 11 2007, 08:55 AM
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Jul 10 2007, 04:27 PM
like i said someone else, without porn, there would be a lot more sex going on.  So, porn is a good thing in my eyes.

So you're saying that sex is a bad thing, but pornography is good? Since when was sex a bad thing? How is pornography justified through the fact that it decreases the amount of sex? Sex isn't a bad thing. The distortion of sex is a bad thing, and pornography is that distortion.

If there was no porn, i believe the amount of sex would increase quite a lot. And that would result in more and more teenage pregnancies. Which is a bad thing in my eyes. Of course sex isn't bad, but too much sex for immature kids can be.

On a morale standpoitn i don't see to much wrong with porn in general, and i think it is good that it is there.
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I guess I just cannot relate to the concept of if there was no porn I could not or would not control my actions and suddenly begin to sleep around. It is my opinion that the people who sleep around will sleep around be there pornography or not, and those who control their urges until they're actually ready would also do so whether porn existed or not. Is it a sexual outlet for many? Absolutely but it is by no means a replacement for sex, plenty of people have a perfectly healthy sex life and still look at pornography. Even if there were no porn all you really need is half an imagination as a sexual outlet. So yeah...I don't really see how sex would increase with the removal of porn because it would not change people's level of self control would it?
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I agree. I'm not really seeing the logic; are there reports indicating that the level of promiscuousness is directly related to the accessibility of pornography? I mean, people who fool around tend to do so, from what I gather, for the opposite reason: they have access to sex. Those with such a mindset don't seem likely to settle for masturbation when they can freely find sex easily.
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Pornography can cause people to have unfulfilled desires. Pornography could cause rape.

I doubt one can focus on pornography as ever being the cause of illicit acts. The acts fulfill desires, pornography, at best, can be an outlet for such desires but ultimately a person has to have it within them to act upon those desires. Even if one views pornography that shows rape, real or fake, the individual then acting on that has to have the desire already within them, it's unlikely that it somehow implanted the motivation
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Benjamin
Jul 12 2007, 02:43 PM
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Jul 11 2007, 03:18 PM
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Jul 11 2007, 01:55 PM
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Jul 10 2007, 04:27 PM
like i said someone else, without porn, there would be a lot more sex going on.  So, porn is a good thing in my eyes.

So you're saying that sex is a bad thing, but pornography is good? Since when was sex a bad thing? How is pornography justified through the fact that it decreases the amount of sex? Sex isn't a bad thing. The distortion of sex is a bad thing, and pornography is that distortion.

So you'd rather everyone go around ******* everyone else, spreading STDs more than they're already being spread killing and infecting tons more people, than have a guy jerk off sitting down in front of his computer?

Did I say anything about rape? Sex is a good thing inside of a loving and devoted relationship. Pornography can cause people to have unfulfilled desires. Pornography could cause rape.

I never said you said anything about rape . And how exactly can pornography cause more rapes? People will see something and want to do that? No, that's the whole point of pornography to see things you can't do yourself. People would get raped more if there wasn't pornography to allow people to sit down and bust off in front of their computer. I guarantee if there wasn't porn certain people would go out and rape some random person because there was no way for them to see it without porn. Porn would allow those certain people a way to release there urges in a safe controlled way (in front of their computer) without harming anyone else.
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Besides, my argument had nothing to do with religion. Many nonreligious people would agree that pornography is wrong

You seem to realize that it's a personal morals issue. Not everyone shares the same morals about sex, etc. Endless argument. You've heard this before. LET'S TAKE **** AWAY LOL.

and holy jeez, pornography does not cause rape.

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Why should using Christian morals 'debunk' his argument?

See above. It's not a stab at the Christian religion in particular (although it always proves to be hilarious lawl), but using personal morals as a means to justify taking something away from people that do not believe in the same thing! See! It's lawgik.
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Jul 14 2007, 12:20 AM
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Jul 12 2007, 02:43 PM
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Jul 11 2007, 03:18 PM
Benjamin
Jul 11 2007, 01:55 PM
Numark
Jul 10 2007, 04:27 PM
like i said someone else, without porn, there would be a lot more sex going on.  So, porn is a good thing in my eyes.

So you're saying that sex is a bad thing, but pornography is good? Since when was sex a bad thing? How is pornography justified through the fact that it decreases the amount of sex? Sex isn't a bad thing. The distortion of sex is a bad thing, and pornography is that distortion.

So you'd rather everyone go around ******* everyone else, spreading STDs more than they're already being spread killing and infecting tons more people, than have a guy jerk off sitting down in front of his computer?

Did I say anything about rape? Sex is a good thing inside of a loving and devoted relationship. Pornography can cause people to have unfulfilled desires. Pornography could cause rape.

I never said you said anything about rape . And how exactly can pornography cause more rapes? People will see something and want to do that? No, that's the whole point of pornography to see things you can't do yourself. People would get raped more if there wasn't pornography to allow people to sit down and bust off in front of their computer. I guarantee if there wasn't porn certain people would go out and rape some random person because there was no way for them to see it without porn. Porn would allow those certain people a way to release there urges in a safe controlled way (in front of their computer) without harming anyone else.

That's most definitely not the point of pornography. People make pornography for the money. It's all just for money. Nothing else. I doubt they think "oh, I'm posting this pornography to decrease rapes".

And how is pornography a replacement for sex? People would look at it, but there would still be something missing. They would know that something's missing. They would try to get that missing thing.

If you're single and looking at pornography all day, then I suggest maybe getting off your butt and actually trying to find someone who you could fall in love with. What ever happened to patience? If you're too lazy to go out and find someone, and enjoy your pornography more, then I don't call that safe sex; I call that sad.
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Jul 15 2007, 11:23 AM
If you're single and looking at pornography all day, then I suggest maybe getting off your butt and actually trying to find someone who you could fall in love with. What ever happened to patience? If you're too lazy to go out and find someone, and enjoy your pornography more, then I don't call that safe sex; I call that sad.

lol what? You talk about going out and finding someone to fall in "love" with (recheck definition of loev, step one btw), then try to lecture us about patience?

You've been fumbling this argument from the beginning, you lost when you said:

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Legally, there's nothing wrong with it, and to be honest, the only way I can really combat that is with morals. I believe that making money off of sex is wrong. Sex is meant to be private within a loving relationship; it's not meant to be broadcasted across the world.

now you're going out on a limb about how "intarnet pronography causes rape lol!" (for what reason you went from "well... I guess I just believe something that others do not, and there's no use forcing it on anyone, and there's nothing legally wrong with it" to "yeah, that **** causes rape no good!!!", I do not know)

Can we conclude you're talking out of your ass already? It's blatantly obvious that you are. And make note that i have no problem with your personal beliefs, I won't tread on them, but when you force or even propose forcing it on others, you become the stereotypical dumb**** American Christian that nobody but themselves like.
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How could porn end teenage pregnancy? They're not supposed to be watching it in the first place! If anything, porn is MEANT to AROUSE people , and usually porn is hardly two people in just one position, they use variations of objects and lubricants thus giving fantasies into the minds of the young. Pornography is not a tool for helping, it is not there to help anyone or educate them. Saying porn decreases rape percentages is absolutely absurd. How can it decrease rape? "Well, I got my jerk on already so I don't need to rape this hot chick sitting next to the building that leads to the dark ally". Do you know that if some people get tired of virtual things, they go out for the real deal? I'm not saying it increases rape, but it only seems to put even more sick sexual fantasies (well,I find them sick) into someone's head that can influence them to perform sexual actions on the person they want to perform them on,regardless of if the other person wanted it or not
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Stinger
Jul 15 2007, 11:25 PM
Benjamin
Jul 15 2007, 11:23 AM
If you're single and looking at pornography all day, then I suggest maybe getting off your butt and actually trying to find someone who you could fall in love with. What ever happened to patience? If you're too lazy to go out and find someone, and enjoy your pornography more, then I don't call that safe sex; I call that sad.

lol what? You talk about going out and finding someone to fall in "love" with (recheck definition of loev, step one btw), then try to lecture us about patience?

You've been fumbling this argument from the beginning, you lost when you said:

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Legally, there's nothing wrong with it, and to be honest, the only way I can really combat that is with morals. I believe that making money off of sex is wrong. Sex is meant to be private within a loving relationship; it's not meant to be broadcasted across the world.

now you're going out on a limb about how "intarnet pronography causes rape lol!" (for what reason you went from "well... I guess I just believe something that others do not, and there's no use forcing it on anyone, and there's nothing legally wrong with it" to "yeah, that **** causes rape no good!!!", I do not know)

Can we conclude you're talking out of your ass already? It's blatantly obvious that you are. And make note that i have no problem with your personal beliefs, I won't tread on them, but when you force or even propose forcing it on others, you become the stereotypical dumb**** American Christian that nobody but themselves like.

And you've portrayed the stereotype of a know-it-all-wannabe jackass Atheist or whatever kind of non-believer you are. Congradulations, you're one of the "original few" that gets a kick out of telling some Christian off over the internet. Get yourself a cookie and feel proud. x_x
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Jul 10 2007, 01:05 PM
Pornography shouldn't be considered an industry. It's terrible to make money off of sex and feelings from it. It's just morally wrong, to me. Sex is supposed to be private thing based on love, but the concept of love and sex has been so distorted by media and pornography. It's really sickening.

Now, I think child pornography should be out of this debate. I can't imagine anyone giving a good reason as to why child pornography is okay (or any pornography for that matter).

Agreed.
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There isn't anything wrong with porn. It's a natural human attraction. And if it's something weird, I'd rather you control your urges by watching it rather than actually doing it.

Besides, if porn became illegal, do you know how many people would be out of jobs?
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Jul 16 2007, 12:39 PM
There isn't anything wrong with porn. It's a natural human attraction. And if it's something weird, I'd rather you control your urges by watching it rather than actually doing it.

Besides, if porn became illegal, do you know how many people would be out of jobs?

Evil is a part of human nature. Does that make it not wrong? Besides, it's normal to want to look at pornography, but that doesn't make it right. Personally, I think that making money off of those lustful feelings in wrong. I know that not everyone's going to agree, but I'm just giving my opninion.
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I think only child pornography is wrong because they are being victimized. Adult pornography is fine since in most cases the people choose to have photos or videos taken of them. Thats why many are called porn stars.
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Jul 16 2007, 05:42 PM
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Jul 16 2007, 12:39 PM
There isn't anything wrong with porn. It's a natural human attraction. And if it's something weird, I'd rather you control your urges by watching it rather than actually doing it.

Besides, if porn became illegal, do you know how many people would be out of jobs?

Evil is a part of human nature. Does that make it not wrong? Besides, it's normal to want to look at pornography, but that doesn't make it right. Personally, I think that making money off of those lustful feelings in wrong. I know that not everyone's going to agree, but I'm just giving my opninion.

You're going by Christian standards. I hardly find masturbating to be evil. I reserve that for killers and rapists. And believe me, there would be a lot more of that if people weren't able to just watch porn.
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I agree with crunchy milk. Sexual urges are not evil they are a part of human nature. There is no such thing as a pure soul so you can't go by with saying that a natural human urge is wrong.
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