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| Colin. | Jul 21 2007, 01:19 AM Post #16 |
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she was this androgynist
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Just because our country was founded by Christians doesn't mean it was founded on Christianity. |
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| .Koda | Jul 21 2007, 01:23 AM Post #17 |
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Yeah, I went there
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Alright, what i said there wasn't entirely accurate... i was alittle hot-headed. But Colin., I know thats not what our country was based on, but we placed these things on what we planned to use everyday, and we set guidelines on our society, Why should we change? |
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| ExiledSoldier | Jul 21 2007, 01:32 AM Post #18 |
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To Holmgard and Beyond
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Why change now? Because as time goes on, more and more people are becoming non-religious. Its only proper to adapt to the changing times. |
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| .Koda | Jul 21 2007, 01:42 AM Post #19 |
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Yeah, I went there
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its worked for over centuries, Why change? If we change, we risk things... |
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| ExiledSoldier | Jul 21 2007, 01:43 AM Post #20 |
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To Holmgard and Beyond
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we dont risk anything by taking words out of a pledge or off of currency. Centuries ago, you were either religious or a witch. Which one would you choose? It doesn't make sense to keep the words if they don't apply to all citizens. |
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| .Enigmatik | Jul 21 2007, 01:44 AM Post #21 |
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Uh... yes it does. Do you people realize by increasing your rights, you decrease ours? I noticed that in some schools girls can wear bangles, but not roseary. How would YOU like it if we went around saying you can't talk about YOUR religion? DO you realize that by preaching about your athiesm, you are doing the same thing you disgust? I recommend you get your act together and think logically about all YOUR problems with yourself before seeing 1 flaw in yourself and seeing 1,000 in another. Just because you think something is right, I could care less about. If you want to say your proud to be an Athiest, good. If you want to say your proud to be your religion, good. But quit being a hypocrite and grow a damn brain! (Pun not intended.) (Btw, colin, that whole post wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the Athiests.) |
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| ExiledSoldier | Jul 21 2007, 01:49 AM Post #22 |
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To Holmgard and Beyond
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I wouldn't want anyone to 'preach' athiesm. Athiesm isn't a religion, its the lack of. So by removing God we didn't remove the rights of religious people but have equaled the rights of everyone. |
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| AgnosticAngel | Jul 21 2007, 01:50 AM Post #23 |
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Caelestis
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Where are you guys hearing the preaching? I just can't relate! I went to public schools all my life and was never exposed to preaching from either side As far as what a specific school does you realize this is something to take up with the school? It's not a law saying you cannot wear religious symbols, heck I wore a cross up until 6th grade and brought my bible to school every Tuesday for that program I referred to earlier. What rights are being increased/decreased? |
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| .Enigmatik | Jul 21 2007, 01:52 AM Post #24 |
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Some schools have made it to where girls and boys of other religions can wear they're stuff, but we can't wear crosses and girls can't wear rosary. |
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| MrsSim | Jul 21 2007, 01:53 AM Post #25 |
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That was a completely unnecessary ad hominem attack that made absolutely no contribution to the topic at hand. I understand that it was not directed at Colin, but the argument was nevertheless an attack. Not only was it a needless personal attack but it was a red herring, an attempt at a diversion. Your paragraph mentions nothing about the inclusion of God in the Pledge of Allegiance and is simply a lamed form of defence. If you're going to make a contribution of value in a debating, I first suggest knocking off with the personal attacks. They get you no where and only degrade your argument's face value - so please, do not use personal attacks as a way of helping your argument. ![]() Also: Wrong; the Founding Fathers were blatant deists, not Christian in any sense. Try again. |
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| Numark | Jul 21 2007, 01:53 AM Post #26 |
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I am one of those people who think people that have a problem with this kind of stuff are sad. It doesn't matter at all. So, my opinion is to remove everything, just so all the whiny people who whine just to whine will shut up. I mean, if you truly have a problem with it, no one forces you to accept any form of religion. You dont have to say the pledge of allegiance ever, and even if you want to, you can omit any part of it if you want. People need to stop getting offended. |
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| Colin. | Jul 21 2007, 01:55 AM Post #27 |
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she was this androgynist
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Well, then, it was directed at me and all Atheists out there. Bangles aren't a thing of religion. Sometimes they can be worn in ceremonial practices, but for the most part, they're a jewelry. I've never seen, anywhere, that a person cannot wear a rosary. I'm not preaching for that. I don't think that anyone should be banned, or for that matter, forced to do something based on religion. My friend is the most devoted Jewish person I've ever met, yet he has no problem with Christmas trees or crosses. I've never seen an Atheist asking for all, or any, religious symbols to be banned. A big part of Atheism is letting others do what they want, modern Atheism anyways. We shouldn't be forced to say 'under God', when true Atheists don't believe we are under God or any god. People shouldn't be forced or banned to do something based on religion. Period. (save for things like sacrificing people for their gods, etc things that are just plain wrong.) No it doesn't. America was based on FREEDOM. First amendment, ever heard of it? Freedom of religion (and other freedoms). That means not having to say we're under God. It was founded on Freedom and forever, do some studying. |
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| AgnosticAngel | Jul 21 2007, 01:57 AM Post #28 |
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Private schools where you have a choice to go (or your parents, in which case you should blame your parents). Public schools can't discriminate against various religions. I will always support a private institution making their own decisions about what is acceptible, but I have never once heard of a public school banning religious symbols on students - only on teachers, as school decoration, etc. Which makes sense because you do not want people to be pressured to believe in something by their role models. |
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| .Enigmatik | Jul 21 2007, 01:58 AM Post #29 |
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Double-standards my friend. |
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| Colin. | Jul 21 2007, 01:59 AM Post #30 |
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she was this androgynist
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Exactly. Especially if this school is a religious one, but I'm guessing it's not, otherwise your post Enigmatik would be completely foolish. |
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