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| the euro- why it sucks; something i wrote, please read'n'comment | |
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| Postulate | Aug 6 2007, 12:19 PM Post #16 |
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You're the point
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I love you. When Spain adopted that thing, I felt like crying. Cultural homogeny in the West is becoming an increasing problem. |
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| Pud | Aug 6 2007, 12:27 PM Post #17 |
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I wish I had something useful to put in this Member Title...
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You love me or you love terra? I hope you love me... I get so lonely =( And as you can see, most of the people that are actually involved with the Euro think that it is a bad idea. |
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| Postulate | Aug 6 2007, 12:32 PM Post #18 |
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You of course. (Okay, I guess both of you). Anyhow, economies rise and fall. The decision to waver and mesh them into one is cultural suicide. The West has been colliding with itself for years, Australia and the US included. That, above all, is what I fear. By the way, I live in America, so the current economic state of Europe is a bit past me, and I would need compelling evidence of the benefits of the euro to place my opinion in favor of it.
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| Andrew | Aug 6 2007, 12:35 PM Post #19 |
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I'm Not There
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My stupid country Cyprus is going to switch to the Euro. ![]() |
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| Postulate | Aug 6 2007, 12:42 PM Post #20 |
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Yeah, everyone in the Mediterranean and Baltic is hopping on. There was a time when Kypros would want nothing to do with the European mainland... What ever happened to the desire for independence and sovereignty? The world is so dependent on the global market (read: China) that we are giving up our individuality as nation states. Sometimes I savor the stubbornness of my own homeland. This is one of my black-and-white rant subjects, though. I need to develop some more adequate arguments.
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| byeee | Aug 6 2007, 01:13 PM Post #21 |
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Well, it's kind of a good thing my country (Romania) isn't planning to change to the Euro soon. At least not for another 7 years, thankfully. We had a denomination last year (10,000->1), a bit stupid if you ask me, since nobody really got used to the new currency. I don't really see why they didn't do it 1,000->1 since it wouldn't have been any trouble at all, but that's just me. And yeah, I do think the Euro is a bad idea. Although it's good for trading purposes, it quite tends to make all economies go at the same pace- thus, not giving an indication of any country's bigger economic progress compared to others. Indeed, England is and has been one of the bigger powers in Europe for some time now... why do people not acknowledge that? Anyway, I don't think I could say (much) more about it since it was pretty much covered in that (awfully) long post at the top, which I didn't think I'd read through at first. Luckily I got out of it alive. In the end, it's not any of our decision, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. PS: Keep up the debate, this makes a really interesting read ^_^. I should save it on my computer in case I ever need to make a speech of some sort, just to have some starting points. Hehe. |
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| Pud | Aug 6 2007, 05:01 PM Post #22 |
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I wish I had something useful to put in this Member Title...
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Well you have full permission to use any of my rant, just put my name in somewhere. Also, Hai! Exactly how I feel, what DID happen to a countries sense of Independence? Whose smart-ass idea was the EU anyways? |
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| Ithuar | Aug 6 2007, 05:28 PM Post #23 |
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Meh, people outside of Europe don't know much about Europe, and people in Europe don't know much about the rest of Europe. None of us will live to see much of a start to Europe becoming one. I'm not worried or bothered by it; and I wasn't bothered by the Euro when it became my nation's currency 6 years ago. A lot of people do still have a false impression, that because of the Euro prices have gone up; they would have gone up without the Euro being accepted. The thing is, people don't like change, so they fool themselves. I'm not into politics but I don't believe a negative stance towards the EU, like some countries have been expressing by working against it, will do us any good in the long run. |
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| Wisp | Aug 6 2007, 05:29 PM Post #24 |
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Hello.
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I fail to understand how the global market deteriorates from culture in each nation. Economics is separate, in my opinion. Having unity in the marketplace improves foreign relations, which can only be good. |
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| OcelotJay-ZNR | Aug 6 2007, 05:34 PM Post #25 |
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I am kitteh, hear me purr. =(^_^)=
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Besides the ignorant few, who doesn't acknowledge Britain's role in Europe? Europe's constant reproach isn't a dispute over power, it's about distancing themselves from a country that has become something of an outsider.
While the Euro had a rocky beginning, falling significantly against the other major currencies, it's been on a steady incline as far as exchange rates go and is likely to continue. BSP remains a strong competitor (namely because the USD has been falling in recent years) but if the Euro successfully increases against the USD and BSP it will pretty much be the strongest currency out there. I think as long as the BSP remains a competitor little will truly change but I imagine there would be quite some impact if it does overtake. Of course, there are still problems that need to be resolved. The European Central Bank is flawed in its current state which is why countries are opposed to signing up since ECB policy can conflict with national interest, thereby bringing up the age-old rifts. ![]()
Post-Second World War - Britain being one of the chief retainers. Churchill himself was a proponent of a "United States of Europe" (which I guess you could say was a warning in itself), although Europe's history of unification dates as far back as the Roman Empire which was undoubtedly key to inspiring the whole thing in the first place.To be fair, the EU - much like NATO - is a good idea, it's just that it hasn't been executed sensibly nor did they employ proper strategy. Uniting independent states isn't an easy thing to do at the best of times; hell, it took long enough when a Third Empire threatened to obliterate countries in its attempt for domination. The EU could never be anything like the USA; it had a history of unification, whereas Europe, even with its periods of unity, has had far more independent growth and development as separate nations and cultures.
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| Paleognath | Aug 6 2007, 05:35 PM Post #26 |
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Napoleon '08
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If you put proff behind you're argument I'd listen to it. Why would the prices have still gone up? |
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| Melancholic | Aug 6 2007, 05:44 PM Post #27 |
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chiralism
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Inflation. I like the Euro better than my country's old currency, I'm pro-Europe and I love England. Not every European hates you, topic starter, I'm sorry...
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| Exever | Aug 6 2007, 06:58 PM Post #28 |
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Bleh. Any currency without a gold standard or something similar fails. |
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| Paleognath | Aug 6 2007, 07:05 PM Post #29 |
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Napoleon '08
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Well okay but prices actually went up pretty much right after the Euro had been adopted and from what I have heard from my family in Germany they don't like it. Anyway thanks for explaining that. |
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| Amberon | Aug 6 2007, 07:40 PM Post #30 |
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Winter is Coming
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That's true, Malta loves us. ![]() The silver lining to that monstrosity that is Eurovision is that it displays some form of public opinion of the citizens in Europe (well seeing as the voting is political) and from the past few years, you can tell that Britain is not popular. The thing is about Britain's status in the EU is that we're in a kind of compromise - we either need to commit fully to the EU following the examples of France, Germany, etc or we should attempt to keep our strange status as a country that reaps part of the benefits but isn't represented by the EU's flagship project. I'm all for the latter really, but I doubt that it could last for another decade, eventually we will have to make a decision whether or not to be fully integrated into the EU. If you look at the Euro in the past few years, especially in the case of Ireland (which to be honest, whose currency/economy was pretty poor before the adoption of the Euro) that in some countries the Euro has stimulated the economy but in others it has had a disastrous start. The best thing for Britain in my opinion is to sit on the fence for as long as possible and evaluate the economies of France and Germany and see if the Euro has benefited their economies and to determine whether the Pound Sterling would be better for Britain. About the issues of Brussels controlling the affairs of Europe, it is a complete myth urged on by the media. It's basically propaganda against European integration by painting the picture that Britain is controlled by such a small power and has no say in it. Strangely enough, even if Britain were more integrated in the EU it would still have enough power to veto or be against the vote for issues/regulations. Isn't Brussels just the meeting place for the EU leaders? To our Northern American friends who feel that Europe should unite despite the differences in language, customs and economic wealth, you should really understand a bit more about European culture before you make that assumption. I know Canada is a country that is bilingual but a fully united European state would have to have 3-5 (at least) official languages - which is to say a lot. I guess you do have an argument somewhere that nations can still retain their 'independence' and patriotism can somehow be retained in a united Europe. I mean look at the example of the USA, are people deeply patriotic about living in Texas or Washington State? Personally I wouldn't mind adjusting to the Euro but I would really miss the sense of national pride that came along with the Sterling. I just hope that we have to go Metric - what would happen to the damn pint glasses? And it'd be annoying to multiply everything by 1.6 to work out the distance in kilometres.
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In the end, it's not any of our decision, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. 

Churchill himself was a proponent of a "United States of Europe" (which I guess you could say was a warning in itself), although Europe's history of unification dates as far back as the Roman Empire which was undoubtedly key to inspiring the whole thing in the first place.


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