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School shootings
Topic Started: Oct 12 2007, 06:59 PM (670 Views)
Reid
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I recently saw an episode on Dr. Phil about school shootings. However, I didn't get to see the entire episode, but I did notice that a part time police officer and a full time sheriff deputy was one of the killers. Strange.

The episode was mainly talking about why the school shootings were happening and how to identify them.

So, I'd like to know -
Why do you think they are happening?
How do you think you could identify future targets?


I figured this would be an interesting topic.
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I think they're happening because of a combination of things. Angry kids are passing through the system and nobody's getting them help, and other kids are making fun of them. It's a build up of anger. There have been upwards of 40 school shootings since Columbine. You can identify a person who might be a risk by paying attention. If they have an explosive temper, show signs of violence against classmates, and are obviously troubled, it's possible that they might come to school with a gun.
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Anger to the next level that is. Peer pressure, revenge and envy are strong motives behind the young shooters and possible at home issues. The system, specifically the scanning system, isn't very effective if a fully loaded gun is not confiscated or even detected for that matter. This shouldn't happen, school is primarily a place to gain knowledge and education not a place of fear and violence.
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I think those who get are responsible for the school shootings and who kill these innocent teens are cowards. They get picked on at school, HONESTLY cry me a damn river. Control your anger. Everyone gets picked on. it's a part of life, mature, seek therapy if your really feel the need be.
Honestly there are so many times where I have gotten so upset, and pushed off the ledge.
I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder in 2006.
I was diagnosed with Schizophrenia at the end of 2007, which I think was a total bull**** diagnoses, I was going through a really extreme time in my life, got picked on, and just suck it up.

I mean some are more emotional than others, everyone's different, but I hope someone can see where I am coming from.
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Oct 13 2007, 04:23 AM
They get picked on at school, HONESTLY cry me a damn river. Control your anger. Everyone gets picked on. it's a part of life, mature, seek therapy if your really feel the need be.

I really think it's more than that. I think it's a combination of being picked on, and a mental instability. I really don't think the solution is as simple as controlling your anger. Beyond that, it's that sort of mentality when this first started happening, parents says "it's part of life" that we haven't prevented some of these things from happening. Dealing with this sort of problem requires a level of sympathy and understanding.

Not that, by any means, these shooters are justified. But if we tried to understand the psyche of these children, perhaps we could take steps to prevent shootings from happening.
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I believe it's occurring because it's cool. I'm filled with teen angst and the world is picking on me because I'm a conforming non-conformist. The only way to solve my problems is to take down as many of the people who have filled my life with dread- And above all; It's the easy way. I know I can commit suicide at the end of my rampage and avoid years of agonizing jail rape and still take down a lot of people. Not to mention the 3 days of coverage on me, my music, and everything else that they can find about myself and my extended family on Faux News. It's very easy to find a gun and the global attention would be worth the minimal amount of time it would take to acquire one. Hellz yeah!
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A person can only take so much in life. Everyone is human and everyone has a breaking point. Just because so and so doesn't have the coolest shoes doesn't mean they don't have feelings. They keep getting taunted by their fellow classmates who think they are better than them, and after a while they snap.

Funny thing is the people doing the taunting are the ones who suck. Why? Because if they feel that low about themselves that it makes them feel better to pick on other people then they are nothing but losers.

Bullying is a part of growing up my ass. Being human is a part of growing up and this kids will be kids mentality is the stupidest thing.

If you are going to pick on someone all the time, over and over. Simply because he is/has: a dork, braces, glasses, ugly, funny looking, poor, fat, acne, ect. Then you should be prepared to one day face the consequences. I am not saying school violence is ok, but it can be prevented if teachers and staff do something other then ignore it and say kids will be kids. Or other students can shut the hell up and stick up for those getting bullied.

Just grow up people. Calling someone ugly or fat doesn't make you cool. It makes you look like a jackass.
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Nov 5 2007, 02:40 PM
A person can only take so much in life. Everyone is human and everyone has a breaking point. Just because so and so doesn't have the coolest shoes doesn't mean they don't have feelings. They keep getting taunted by their fellow classmates who think they are better than them, and after a while they snap.

Funny thing is the people doing the taunting are the ones who suck. Why? Because if they feel that low about themselves that it makes them feel better to pick on other people then they are nothing but losers.

Bullying is a part of growing up my ass. Being human is a part of growing up and this kids will be kids mentality is the stupidest thing.

If you are going to pick on someone all the time, over and over. Simply because he is/has: a dork, braces, glasses, ugly, funny looking, poor, fat, acne, ect. Then you should be prepared to one day face the consequences. I am not saying school violence is ok, but it can be prevented if teachers and staff do something other then ignore it and say kids will be kids. Or other students can shut the hell up and stick up for those getting bullied.

Just grow up people. Calling someone ugly or fat doesn't make you cool. It makes you look like a jackass.

If being bullied leads you to kill someone, you have something seriously wrong with your brain. That is fact sir. :yes:

Killings in school happen for the same reason killings in any situation occur. Some people simply have a very good chance of becoming killers one day. Its sad and sickening, but it is the truth. Something is wrong with a lot of people's brains. And while bullying is wrong, thats not really the problem. Its just, that some individuals are very wrong, and if bullying does lead them into killing, then that just means something at some point of there life would have brought them over their breaking point.

And you cannot identify a killer by looking at them. Thats just silly.
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Nov 6 2007, 03:20 AM
If being bullied leads you to kill someone, you have something seriously wrong with your brain. That is fact sir. Yes.gif



And you cannot identify a killer by looking at them. Thats just silly.

Hmm....You sound like you've bullied someone before.

Yeah, bullying is wrong. And it's also one of the main causes of school shootings in the first place. Some kid was stepped on, made fun of, bullied and then BAM! He gets a gun from his (pick any one) father, uncle, grandfather, brother or whoever's room and goes on a rampage before killing himself.

School shootings can be prevented. But you gotta find the cause and prevent it from happening. You gotta get down to the roots of the problem before it becomes a time bomb just waiting to explode. Teachers, school counselors and even other students should take steps to ensure that bullies don't have free rein to pick on whoever they want. Then the "victim" class wouldn't exist and they'd have no reason to totally lose it and start killing people

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Killings in school happen for the same reason killings in any situation occur. Some people simply have a very good chance of becoming killers one day. Its sad and sickening, but it is the truth. Something is wrong with a lot of people's brains. And while bullying is wrong, thats not really the problem. Its just, that some individuals are very wrong, and if bullying does lead them into killing, then that just means something at some point of there life would have brought them over their breaking point.


Whoa, so we're born with it in our genes??? So you're basically saying that only "certain" people become killers in the first place? That someone, not everyone have the some reaction when they're in those shoes? Get a grip man. We're all human; sure we have the same feelings but that doesn't mean we can't lose it. We're not Saints. I bet if rumours spread that some giant asteroid was going to hit EArth tomorrow, we'd all just go crazy and start massacring people.

Heck, just look at the Iraq situation. Get a gun, put it in some countryboy's hands and haul him over to Iraq and see what happens. He's gonna start killing people. Why? Because it's a natural reaction when you're in danger. You would want to protect yourself. You can't just expect him to just stand there waiting to get killed for "land and country".

Half the bully victims just cower in fear and keep quiet while the rest take matters in their own hands. They may make decisions that are harmful to others, but then again this could have been prevented. Measures should be taken before horrible things like school shootings happen. I'm not saying it's right to kill people. I'm saying that this could all have been prevented.

You gotta be more proactive in your community and school. We also need laws to prevent underaged and immature people from getting firearms in the first place.
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Whoa, so we're born with it in our genes??? So you're basically saying that only "certain" people become killers in the first place? That someone, not everyone have the some reaction when they're in those shoes? Get a grip man. We're all human; sure we have the same feelings but that doesn't mean we can't lose it. We're not Saints. I bet if rumours spread that some giant asteroid was going to hit EArth tomorrow, we'd all just go crazy and start massacring people.

Heck, just look at the Iraq situation. Get a gun, put it in some countryboy's hands and haul him over to Iraq and see what happens. He's gonna start killing people. Why? Because it's a natural reaction when you're in danger. You would want to protect yourself. You can't just expect him to just stand there waiting to get killed for "land and country".

What you perhaps fail to recognise, though, is the difference between the varieties of killing. Killing someone out of spite and killing in self-defence aren't one and the same, nor are killing for the sake of it and killing for a movement: both can lack provocation but the conditions can be quite different.

Certainly everyone is capable of killing; give every human a gun and a victim and eventually each of us would pull the trigger, all at different times and for different reasons. However the gene theory isn't that you're born a murderer or are destined to do it - predetermination isn't the same as predisposition. The theory is that certain people are predisposed to violent outbursts and have a greater chance of killing someone as a result. There is long-established research that supports genes which cause a natural inclination to something or other, particularly behaviour issues. There is reason enough to believe that common murder could be among them or rather the common behavioural themes which are the make-up of many murders. However I'm unaware of them ever actually having located a gene so it's largely theoretical but with solid enough reason. Everyone can kill, it's part of our design (just like any other animal) but there is a possibility that some, under certain conditions (commonly dealing with stress), have an increased chance of becoming homicidal and suicidal as a result of genetic predisposition.

An important thing to note is that genetic predisposition has been proven to be effected (or "corrected") by environmental factors, meaning that predisposition won't affect everyone in the same way. This is why common factors found among teenagers responsible for school shootings isn't pure coincidence; a similar environment with similar outcomes cannot be ignored.
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