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George Bush's Legacy
Topic Started: Oct 29 2007, 05:11 PM (837 Views)
Paleognath
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Colin.
Oct 30 2007, 02:46 AM
buzz
Oct 29 2007, 09:56 PM
Colin.
Oct 29 2007, 10:16 PM
Perhaps not the worst President, but no doubt what happens, he will be remembered at one of the biggest political mistakes so far in American history.

And the sad thing is, it dosen't look like the Americans have learnt their lesson, the majority want an exact copy of bush in office next year, just in a different body. (Hilary)

I fail to see how Hillary Clinton is similar to George Bush at all, also the majority dislike Hillary Clinton because they haven't read about her campaign.

But this isn't a debate about Hillary Clinton. My comment about George Bush remains.

Actually Hillary Clinton does have majority support and she is in fact the best candidate out there (of the democrats). The Republicans all want to be copies of Reagan so that seems like a great idea (sarcasm, personally I am glad there is a democratic majority).

Any way, he probably won't have one because he has done nothing great, caused the national debt to exponentially grow, and got us into a conflict that had no true political or international need.
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Paleognath
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LoganA
Nov 4 2007, 03:40 AM
^Well then I'm a fool, because he is not the worst President that we've had. He is a fine Christian man and is doing what he feels is right for the country, and honestly, I think he's doing the right thing, too. He is keeping the war over in the Middle East, instead of in our homeland.

He's not doing it for the country, he's doing what is right for him and his constituents and supposedly the "world". How did a war in Iraq make us any better? We get attacked by Saudi terrorists working for Al Qaeda which is Afghanistan and then we attack Iraq, a country that was not terrorist and led by a dictator who kept terrorist activities under control (it is not the job of the US to put dictators out of power because we would have done the same with Cuba!), and to top it off the terrorists were practically put into power. The trouble in Iraq has pissed off Iran who now is led by a man who basically wants war with us (Bush is already getting ready for "war" with Iran). Russia is pissed to because they are aligned with Iran and are tired of the US getting into everyone else's affairs. So of course pissing off everyone in the Middle East and the rest of the world is in the best interest of this country. :o

Also being a "fine Christian" doesn't make you a faultless, if not perfect, person. Plus the war wasn't coming here, we could have easily dealt with any further terrorist attacks but I guess he didn't see it that way.

To Colin's comment:

The Middle East is not the only major thing he's done wrong. No Child Left Behind, inappropriate responses to natural disasters such as Katrina, the creation of Homeland Security (pointless and possibly at fault for the failure to respond to Katrina as it controls FEMA). Of course many of mistakes could be attributed to his administration (not specifying any Attorney Generals).

I am very sorry if I took that so far but I'm sorry you can defend Bush to an extent but he makes too many mistakes to be a saint.
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Depends what goes on in the middle east from now on. Though if the current situation is any suggestion, he'll be viewed as one of the worst presidents.
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Nov 6 2007, 03:02 PM
LoganA
Nov 4 2007, 03:40 AM
^Well then I'm a fool, because he is not the worst President that we've had. He is a fine Christian man and is doing what he feels is right for the country, and honestly, I think he's doing the right thing, too. He is keeping the war over in the Middle East, instead of in our homeland.

He's not doing it for the country, he's doing what is right for him and his constituents and supposedly the "world". How did a war in Iraq make us any better? We get attacked by Saudi terrorists working for Al Qaeda which is Afghanistan and then we attack Iraq, a country that was not terrorist and led by a dictator who kept terrorist activities under control (it is not the job of the US to put dictators out of power because we would have done the same with Cuba!), and to top it off the terrorists were practically put into power. The trouble in Iraq has pissed off Iran who now is led by a man who basically wants war with us (Bush is already getting ready for "war" with Iran). Russia is pissed to because they are aligned with Iran and are tired of the US getting into everyone else's affairs. So of course pissing off everyone in the Middle East and the rest of the world is in the best interest of this country. :o

Also being a "fine Christian" doesn't make you a faultless, if not perfect, person. Plus the war wasn't coming here, we could have easily dealt with any further terrorist attacks but I guess he didn't see it that way.

To Colin's comment:

The Middle East is not the only major thing he's done wrong. No Child Left Behind, inappropriate responses to natural disasters such as Katrina, the creation of Homeland Security (pointless and possibly at fault for the failure to respond to Katrina as it controls FEMA). Of course many of mistakes could be attributed to his administration (not specifying any Attorney Generals).

I am very sorry if I took that so far but I'm sorry you can defend Bush to an extent but he makes too many mistakes to be a saint.

Wow... I didn't even know half of what you said was true until I read it. My opinion just went down for Bush... and that's seriously sad.
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LoganA
Nov 4 2007, 04:40 AM
EHe is keeping the war over in the Middle East, instead of in our homeland.

...a war he declared. You are aware there was no war until he made it so, right? Provoked or not, the idea that he's somehow doing a good thing by "keeping the war out of [your] country" is distinctly foolish thinking. Anyone can declare war on an enemy at any given time - there's a large selection of dictators and terrorist hotbeds right now and most long existed before the "War on Terrorism" - and use that same silly propaganda but it's untrue. The only war he's keeping out of America is the one he decided to wage. At best he's kept terrorism at bay by introducing outright warfare to other nations through invasion. Not exactly something to be proud of, unless of course you're someone who lives in a bubble and doesn't think about the overall consequence or the outside world. But it's that very image that's responsible for why much of the world believes America to be like that, which in turn is why America is becoming increasingly isolated.

I'm not sure what's worse: a temporary President who would sacrifice the world for his country or a nation of seemingly imperial-like egomaniacs who want that sort of President. And Americans wonder why we view it as the real threat? Fundamentalism vs. Extremism, both fuelled by unyielding fanaticism, religion and the unshakable belief of being right. Of course, I'm perfectly aware the image we see is typically a matter of false representation by certain groups but Bush was democratically elected and his backers have long held a powerful voice (perhaps because fanaticism screams while reason simply talks?).

I do think the history books will look at both his good and his bad, of that there is little doubt but I think Europe's history books will remember him as the man who made America look genuinely insane and dangerous (as opposed to the previous image of fuzzy eccentricity; mildly disturbing but harmless). Britain's history books will be interesting; close ally and good friend or puppet master and bully? Depends on the mood of the country at the time but I think he'll long be labelled as the true motive behind Blair's unpopular actions, to put it mildly. But a leader isn't just one person, he or she represents much more and their "sins" stain the nation. Hitler's actions left Germany isolated for a long time and even today, despite Germany's attempts to show they abhor that time and what he did, you can still find notions of prejudicial hatred that links Germany to Hitler particularly in how people stereotype the country and its citizens.

I think Bush's legacy will be the way America is treated and the path it now goes down, not the way his time in office is summarised. Bush could easily be long forgotten in the future but what happened won't be, not when this is a time of unprecedented turmoil, radical change and uncertainty in which so many major disasters happened.
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Nov 8 2007, 09:02 AM
LoganA
Nov 4 2007, 04:40 AM
EHe is keeping the war over in the Middle East, instead of in our homeland.

...a war he declared. You are aware there was no war until he made it so, right?

Thank God you said that not me :D

Al Qaeda was much smaller before Bush took the war to Iraq. Now the Iraqis are pissed off and have given their support to the Al Qaeda movement. Had we gone no further than Afghanistan it would have been fine I guess because then we would have actually been dealing with the government who had been supporting the terrorists who attacked us (the Taliban give support to terrorist organizations). I severely doubt that there would have been another 9/11 had we not gotten into Iraq but now that we have I actually think our chances have doubled.
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