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How do you Support McCain?
Topic Started: Apr 25 2008, 12:21 PM (1,061 Views)
Floppy_Fennel
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How does anyone support McCain...?
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John McCain's "Spiritual Guide" Calls For Destruction Of Islam

Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/j...l-_n_91203.html

Utterly disgusting.
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Crewss
Apr 26 2008, 05:20 AM
The fact that citizens who are enjoying the precious American liberties without having to be patriotic is completely ridiculous, but now presidential candidates are allowed to do this and get away with it?  How can he run our country if he doesn't know how to be an actual patriotic American?

And you're really basing his apparent lack of patriotism on the fact he didn't hold his hand on his heart? Do you have any idea how many Americans don't even care about the anthem and yet remain loyal to America? Shocking, I know; who knew the ability to have pride or care for one's country didn't stem from traditions and conventions? That he paid any heed says something; still, I think to measure patriotism on how one reacts to an anthem is ridiculous and irrational, bordering on petty and delusional. :rolleyes:
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No, it's the normal way of saying 'training and equipping external and internal forces'. This statement has nothing to do with the US going to war with them, or even the US military.
You do of course realise this is precisely what happened with Hussein? I find it worrying that people who have witnessed the atrocities of Iraq can so flippantly shrug off these sorts of comments.
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Apr 26 2008, 05:20 AM
The fact that citizens who are enjoying the precious American liberties without having to be patriotic is completely ridiculous, but now presidential candidates are allowed to do this and get away with it? How can he run our country if he doesn't know how to be an actual patriotic American?

Oh yes, I completely agree. I mean, it should be a crime to not put your hand on your heart during the National Anthem. Just look at this guy, lets lock him up and throw away the key!
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Oh wait.... Well in his defense, I'm sure that's where he thought his heart was.

And also, Obama not wearing his flag lapel is inexcusable! I mean everyone in the US always wears a flag lapel, right? I mean all of you wear flag lapels, don't you? Wait a minute, you don't? Then that means you're unpatriotic! You should be shipped to Guantanamo and tortured have enhanced interrogation techniques used on you like the anti-American terrorist you are!

Or we can all just admit that none of this matters. And perhaps we should vote for candidates based on their opinions rather than what they wear or when they don't move their hand to their heart :S
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munchie-man
Apr 26 2008, 11:55 AM
Crewss
Apr 26 2008, 05:20 AM
The fact that citizens who are enjoying the precious American liberties without having to be patriotic is completely ridiculous, but now presidential candidates are allowed to do this and get away with it? How can he run our country if he doesn't know how to be an actual patriotic American?

Oh yes, I completely agree. I mean, it should be a crime to not put your hand on your heart during the National Anthem. Just look at this guy, lets lock him up and throw away the key!
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Oh wait.... Well in his defense, I'm sure that's where he thought his heart was.

And also, Obama not wearing his flag lapel is inexcusable! I mean everyone in the US always wears a flag lapel, right? I mean all of you wear flag lapels, don't you? Wait a minute, you don't? Then that means you're unpatriotic! You should be shipped to Guantanamo and tortured have enhanced interrogation techniques used on you like the anti-American terrorist you are!

Or we can all just admit that none of this matters. And perhaps we should vote for candidates based on their opinions rather than what they wear or when they don't move their hand to their heart :S

*Standing Ovation*

Looks like Bush had some indigestion...

He needs...

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HEY, PEPTO BISMOL!!!

...sorry


xBifnepasu, great find!

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Lastly, Obama really didn't do anything. He FOLDED HIS HANDS AND CLOSED HIS EYES. Is that not showing patriotism?
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Pjj1020
Apr 27 2008, 01:29 AM
xBifnepasu, great find!

As a Muslim naturally I'm going to be very disturbed by such things!
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I have a problem with McCain because of two very broad reasons. Firstly, he will pump more money and even greater attention into military pursuits, not only in Iraq but in weapons production, training, etc. Because of his background, that's frankly the only thing he really knows how to do. It came as no surprise that he didn't even have a domestic policy when he became the de facto Republican nominee, and the politicians he commissioned to write one up for him are completely incompetent themselves.

Cutting taxes is just a pacifier; there needs to be tax reform. If there's to be none of that happening, the taxes for the rich need to be raised. Taxes are a major source of revenue for any government, which people should be thinking about when they consider our path out of our trillion dollar deficit. Of course, there are countless government failures that are also contributing to this, and they all need to be considered with an equal fervor.

Even if the comment about training internal and external forces hints at a future war, there is no way that the UN would let itself be fooled again. Unless Iran or North Korea do something that warrants international involvement, the Securities Council will not sanction any kind of military action. Furthermore, the United States would not have the resources to take part in another war regardless, and reinstating the draft is simply not an option. As it stands now, the Congress would kill such a resolution faster than you can blink.

If McCain were elected, he'd be essentially paralyzed by Congress, and only capable of pumping more money into the military and letting the national infrastructure and finances fall into ruin. Washington is essentially a very large, very pretty shell, but the insides are rotting. I can't imagine it will be very long until the discomposure spreads to the facade, but I also think that the nation will triumph again. There just needs to be something to set the wheels into motion, and I'm afraid to say that none of the candidates on either side have the kind of leadership ability to make that happen. I do believe that while drastic change is not possible during this election, the current state of things in America can be allayed somewhat, in hopes that time will heal its wounds. McCain is not one of the candidates who could accomplish this.

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How does anyone support McCain...?

First of all, the Huffington post is far from a credible source. Sure, it gets things first and starts the buzz on all kind of topics, but it is more biased than Fox News. Secondly, can you quote me a single line in that entire article where the destruction of Islam is even mentioned, and, more importantly, where McCain actually advocates this? If you're going to be attack a candidate for the views of their supporters, you should be mentioning the radical opinions of Obama's minister too.
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How do I support McCain?

Easily. By not voting for him.
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munchie-man
Apr 26 2008, 11:55 AM
Crewss
Apr 26 2008, 05:20 AM
The fact that citizens who are enjoying the precious American liberties without having to be patriotic is completely ridiculous, but now presidential candidates are allowed to do this and get away with it? How can he run our country if he doesn't know how to be an actual patriotic American?

Oh yes, I completely agree. I mean, it should be a crime to not put your hand on your heart during the National Anthem. Just look at this guy, lets lock him up and throw away the key!
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Oh wait.... Well in his defense, I'm sure that's where he thought his heart was.

And also, Obama not wearing his flag lapel is inexcusable! I mean everyone in the US always wears a flag lapel, right? I mean all of you wear flag lapels, don't you? Wait a minute, you don't? Then that means you're unpatriotic! You should be shipped to Guantanamo and tortured have enhanced interrogation techniques used on you like the anti-American terrorist you are!

Or we can all just admit that none of this matters. And perhaps we should vote for candidates based on their opinions rather than what they wear or when they don't move their hand to their heart :S

If you're going to run for president of a country, I would consider his patriotism over his opinions and beliefs first. If the man does not know how to be patriotic, then I could honestly care less what his opinions and beliefs are.

And yes, he is unpatriotic. Almost all presidents have worn the flag lapel, and yet he refuses to wear it. Honestly, who's it going to hurt if he does wear it? What, is it going to bite him or something? And second, the fact that he doesn't put his hand over his heart does bother me. When you say the national anthem, you should always put your hand over your heart, and those Americans who do not are being unpatriotic. And please notice that most Americans who do not do this are immigrants or people from other countries. And honestly, why the heck can't he put his hand over his heart anyway? Who's it going to hurt? He is an American, correct? Therefore, why can't he do the American thing to do?

So yes, opinions and beliefs matter greatly, but I consider patriotism a higher priority when you happen to be running for president.
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You're saying people are unpatriotic if they don't follow some stupid tradition?

I stopped saying the pledge in school a long time ago, that makes me unpatriotic? Are you really that judgmental?
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Crewss
Apr 27 2008, 08:14 PM
munchie-man
Apr 26 2008, 11:55 AM
Crewss
Apr 26 2008, 05:20 AM
The fact that citizens who are enjoying the precious American liberties without having to be patriotic is completely ridiculous, but now presidential candidates are allowed to do this and get away with it? How can he run our country if he doesn't know how to be an actual patriotic American?

Oh yes, I completely agree. I mean, it should be a crime to not put your hand on your heart during the National Anthem. Just look at this guy, lets lock him up and throw away the key!
Posted Image
Oh wait.... Well in his defense, I'm sure that's where he thought his heart was.

And also, Obama not wearing his flag lapel is inexcusable! I mean everyone in the US always wears a flag lapel, right? I mean all of you wear flag lapels, don't you? Wait a minute, you don't? Then that means you're unpatriotic! You should be shipped to Guantanamo and tortured have enhanced interrogation techniques used on you like the anti-American terrorist you are!

Or we can all just admit that none of this matters. And perhaps we should vote for candidates based on their opinions rather than what they wear or when they don't move their hand to their heart :S

If you're going to run for president of a country, I would consider his patriotism over his opinions and beliefs first. If the man does not know how to be patriotic, then I could honestly care less what his opinions and beliefs are.

I think I just threw up..
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Apr 27 2008, 08:14 PM
And yes, he is unpatriotic.

Prove it.

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Almost all presidents have worn the flag lapel, and yet he refuses to wear it. Honestly, who's it going to hurt if he does wear it?

Whose it going to hurt if he doesn't? Seriously, what's so damned important about wearing a flag pin. Would you vote for a candidate if he was the only one who was wearing a flag pin, and also a Nazi?

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And second, the fact that he doesn't put his hand over his heart does bother me. When you say the national anthem, you should always put your hand over your heart, and those Americans who do not are being unpatriotic. And please notice that most Americans who do not do this are immigrants or people from other countries. And honestly, why the heck can't he put his hand over his heart anyway? Who's it going to hurt? He is an American, correct? Therefore, why can't he do the American thing to do?

Did you see the picture o' Bush? He didn't have his hand over his heart. Do you need to see it again? Here you go:
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It's wrong for Obama, but it's okay for Bush. Yeah, that's not hypocritical at all.
oh and look, more people without their hands over their heart:
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yup, lock everyone of them up.

Oh and by the way, look here if you want:
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wait... Obama has his hand over heart here? OH MY GOD THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE NO LONGER TRUE! THE WORLD IS EXPLODING!
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Apr 27 2008, 10:15 PM
You're saying people are unpatriotic if they don't follow some stupid tradition?

I stopped saying the pledge in school a long time ago, that makes me unpatriotic? Are you really that judgmental?

Putting your hand over your heart isn't just a tradition, it's a sign of you pledging your allegience to your country and showing that you appreciate the liberties given to you by those who give their lives so that you can say stupid things like that. And the fact that citizens like you don't put their hand over their heart is an unpatriotic act that I can't do anything about, but I will complain about it when a man who wishes to run our country refuses to do it. And yes, I consider it unpatriotic. I would praise my country in every way possible if I was running for president, not only to get votes, but to also genuinely show my appreciation, but for some odd, stupid reason, he chooses not to. So yes, I have a problem with it.

Pjj1020
 
I think I just threw up..

I didn't say only that I could care less what his opinions and beliefs are, I said if the man does not know how to be patriotic, then I could care less what his opinions and beliefs are. If a man was running for president, and repeatedly said that he hated America more than anything, but had great opinions on different issues, I'll be damned if I'm going to vote for him. Get my point? ;)

munchie-man
 
Prove it.

Wow, umm, I think I've proven my point pretty darn well.

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Whose it going to hurt if he doesn't? Seriously, what's so damned important about wearing a flag pin. Would you vote for a candidate if he was the only one who was wearing a flag pin, and also a Nazi?

Almost every president was worn the flag lapel, and an American tradition is not something to be thrown away on a whim. And also, why doesn't he just wear the thing? If anything it'll get him more votes, yet he refuses to wear it. Makes me think, but ohh no, doesn't make you liberals think, does it?

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Did you see the picture o' Bush? He didn't have his hand over his heart. Do you need to see it again?

I have no opinion on Bush, as I disagree with him on a lot of things, but take a look at this picture. A lot of people put their hand over their stomach instead of their chest. At least he still shows appreciation to America.

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It's wrong for Obama, but it's okay for Bush. Yeah, that's not hypocritical at all.
oh and look, more people without their hands over their heart

Like I said before, I can't control what ungrateful citizens do, but I will complain about presidential candidates not doing so. Are any of those people running for president? No, they're not. Therefore that's not necessary.

munchie-man
 
wait... Obama has his hand over heart here? OH MY GOD THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE NO LONGER TRUE! THE WORLD IS EXPLODING!

An Obama campaign spokesperson said: "Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't."
The part that is in bold bothers me. ;)
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I hope the birth date in your profile is real. No one old enough to vote would decide on a candidate just because they did or didn't put their hand over their heart.

Also, I love my rights, it's also my right to not pledge.

It's a very silly little tradition, that in no way shape or form, measures patriotism. But from your posts, I guess you wouldn't know what that is.

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Almost every president was worn the flag lapel

So by almost every president, you mean George Bush?
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Apr 29 2008, 02:42 AM
I hope the birth date in your profile is real. No one old enough to vote would decide on a candidate just because they did or didn't put their hand over their heart.

Also, I love my rights, it's also my right to not pledge.

It's a very silly little tradition, that in no way shape or form, measures patriotism. But from your posts, I guess you wouldn't know what that is.

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Almost every president was worn the flag lapel

So by almost every president, you mean George Bush?

Once again you continue to put words in my mouth. All you do is ask me questions, I give you credible answers, and yet you continue to say the same thing over and over: "How do you decide upon a candidate just because they don't put their hand over their heart?" I have given quite a few reasons as to why I dislike Obama and why what he is doing is unpatriotic. Feel free to read my long post that I thought out thoroughly, maybe you missed it?

And yes, you have the right to not pledge. Why? Because this is America, and because we have men and women over there giving their lives so you can say idiotic things like that. At least show some appreciation.

Silly tradition? Yes, I suppose the tradition of singing the national anthem after World War II before every NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL game was just started for no reason, eh? And yes, it does measure patriotism because if you don't have the damn appreciation for America and those who give their lives to defend it enough to stand up and put your hand over your heart, then you shouldn't be able to enjoy the precious American liberties that you take for granted.

And no, JFK, Nixon, Reagan, shall I go on?

And don't attack my age. If you do, you're a pathetic coward because judging someone on how they view something just because of their age has to be some ridiculous thing a clueless liberal like you would say. I'm not in diapers, I'm not still in a cradle, I don't still drink from a bottle, I can think for myself, therefore, treat me as your equal when we talk politics.
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Apr 28 2008, 08:13 PM
Silly tradition? Yes, I suppose the tradition of singing the national anthem after World War II before every NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL game was just started for no reason, eh? And yes, it does measure patriotism because if you don't have the damn appreciation for America and those who give their lives to defend it enough to stand up and put your hand over your heart, then you shouldn't be able to enjoy the precious American liberties that you take for granted.

See, now you're the one putting words into MY mouth.

Also, they don't fight for freedom, freedom is a byproduct of winning.

You really think that everyone who doesn't do those things is unpatriotic? Hardcore patriotism is a stupid concept to begin with. You don't need to conform to tradition to have pride in your country.

I don't take my freedom for granted, it seems that you don't even understand our freedom to begin with. We can do these things because we are a free nation. Freedom of expression, is probably one of the biggest freedoms in the world. I don't need to follow some stupid tradition that lost it's meaning after the thousandth time of reciting it.

I guess it's something a self-righteous person like you wouldn't really understand.
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