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How do you Support McCain?
Topic Started: Apr 25 2008, 12:21 PM (1,059 Views)
Crewss
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chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 03:38 AM
Crewss
Apr 28 2008, 08:13 PM
Silly tradition? Yes, I suppose the tradition of singing the national anthem after World War II before every NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL game was just started for no reason, eh? And yes, it does measure patriotism because if you don't have the damn appreciation for America and those who give their lives to defend it enough to stand up and put your hand over your heart, then you shouldn't be able to enjoy the precious American liberties that you take for granted.

See, now you're the one putting words into MY mouth.

Also, they don't fight for freedom, freedom is a byproduct of winning.

You really think that everyone who doesn't do those things is unpatriotic? Hardcore patriotism is a stupid concept to begin with. You don't need to conform to tradition to have pride in your country.

I don't take my freedom for granted, it seems that you don't even understand our freedom to begin with. We can do these things because we are a free nation. Freedom of expression, is probably one of the biggest freedoms in the world. I don't need to follow some stupid tradition that lost it's meaning after the thousandth time of reciting it.

I guess it's something a self-righteous person like you wouldn't really understand.

My brother is in the Marines, my dad was in the Air Force, and I've talked to a lot of my brother's friends, who are either now dead or in Iraq. Believe me, I know what they fight for, and that's freedom.

And I honestly can't get through to you. You continue on with the same concept in your head and don't understand the true meaning of putting your right hand on your heart when saying the anthem. It's not only showing respect for your country, but showing that you really do appreciate what liberties we have, the same liberties that my brother's friends, who were close friends of mine, died for. And I'll be damned if I'm going to let some narrow-minded person like you tell me that it doesn't matter anymore whether or not you put your right hand over your heart. I'm not telling you about my brother, his friends, and my dad because I want sympathy or I'm trying to get an emotional effect on what I'm saying. I'm telling you this because the citizens today are losing sight of the whole reason behind saying the anthem with your right hand across your heart.

But I can't get to you because you refuse to accept the truth. I've presented valid points as to my thinking, the rest is your job to believe it or not, and you obviously choose to deny all the credible points I've made. Good talking with you.
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Apr 28 2008, 09:04 PM
chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 03:38 AM
Crewss
Apr 28 2008, 08:13 PM
Silly tradition? Yes, I suppose the tradition of singing the national anthem after World War II before every NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL game was just started for no reason, eh? And yes, it does measure patriotism because if you don't have the damn appreciation for America and those who give their lives to defend it enough to stand up and put your hand over your heart, then you shouldn't be able to enjoy the precious American liberties that you take for granted.

See, now you're the one putting words into MY mouth.

Also, they don't fight for freedom, freedom is a byproduct of winning.

You really think that everyone who doesn't do those things is unpatriotic? Hardcore patriotism is a stupid concept to begin with. You don't need to conform to tradition to have pride in your country.

I don't take my freedom for granted, it seems that you don't even understand our freedom to begin with. We can do these things because we are a free nation. Freedom of expression, is probably one of the biggest freedoms in the world. I don't need to follow some stupid tradition that lost it's meaning after the thousandth time of reciting it.

I guess it's something a self-righteous person like you wouldn't really understand.

My brother is in the Marines, my dad was in the Air Force, and I've talked to a lot of my brother's friends, who are either now dead or in Iraq. Believe me, I know what they fight for, and that's freedom.

And I honestly can't get through to you. You continue on with the same concept in your head and don't understand the true meaning of putting your right hand on your heart when saying the anthem. It's not only showing respect for your country, but showing that you really do appreciate what liberties we have, the same liberties that my brother's friends, who were close friends of mine, died for. And I'll be damned if I'm going to let some narrow-minded person like you tell me that it doesn't matter anymore whether or not you put your right hand over your heart. I'm not telling you about my brother, his friends, and my dad because I want sympathy or I'm trying to get an emotional effect on what I'm saying. I'm telling you this because the citizens today are losing sight of the whole reason behind saying the anthem with your right hand across your heart.

But I can't get to you because you refuse to accept the truth. I've presented valid points as to my thinking, the rest is your job to believe it or not, and you obviously choose to deny all the credible points I've made. Good talking with you.

The truth? You've presented a giant appeal to emotion-filled argument.
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chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 04:10 AM
Crewss
Apr 28 2008, 09:04 PM
chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 03:38 AM
Crewss
Apr 28 2008, 08:13 PM
Silly tradition? Yes, I suppose the tradition of singing the national anthem after World War II before every NBA, NFL, MLB, and NHL game was just started for no reason, eh? And yes, it does measure patriotism because if you don't have the damn appreciation for America and those who give their lives to defend it enough to stand up and put your hand over your heart, then you shouldn't be able to enjoy the precious American liberties that you take for granted.

See, now you're the one putting words into MY mouth.

Also, they don't fight for freedom, freedom is a byproduct of winning.

You really think that everyone who doesn't do those things is unpatriotic? Hardcore patriotism is a stupid concept to begin with. You don't need to conform to tradition to have pride in your country.

I don't take my freedom for granted, it seems that you don't even understand our freedom to begin with. We can do these things because we are a free nation. Freedom of expression, is probably one of the biggest freedoms in the world. I don't need to follow some stupid tradition that lost it's meaning after the thousandth time of reciting it.

I guess it's something a self-righteous person like you wouldn't really understand.

My brother is in the Marines, my dad was in the Air Force, and I've talked to a lot of my brother's friends, who are either now dead or in Iraq. Believe me, I know what they fight for, and that's freedom.

And I honestly can't get through to you. You continue on with the same concept in your head and don't understand the true meaning of putting your right hand on your heart when saying the anthem. It's not only showing respect for your country, but showing that you really do appreciate what liberties we have, the same liberties that my brother's friends, who were close friends of mine, died for. And I'll be damned if I'm going to let some narrow-minded person like you tell me that it doesn't matter anymore whether or not you put your right hand over your heart. I'm not telling you about my brother, his friends, and my dad because I want sympathy or I'm trying to get an emotional effect on what I'm saying. I'm telling you this because the citizens today are losing sight of the whole reason behind saying the anthem with your right hand across your heart.

But I can't get to you because you refuse to accept the truth. I've presented valid points as to my thinking, the rest is your job to believe it or not, and you obviously choose to deny all the credible points I've made. Good talking with you.

The truth? You've presented a giant appeal to emotion-filled argument.

I'd call it setting a liberal straight who knows nothing about soldiers and what they fight for.
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Apr 29 2008, 02:16 AM
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Prove it.

Wow, umm, I think I've proven my point pretty darn well.

Unfortunately, you haven't. You just claim that because someone didn't put their hand over their heart once during the national anthem, that automatically makes them unpatriotic.

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Almost every president was worn the flag lapel, and an American tradition is not something to be thrown away on a whim. And also, why doesn't he just wear the thing? If anything it'll get him more votes, yet he refuses to wear it. Makes me think, but ohh no, doesn't make you liberals think, does it?

What are you talking about, almost every president? George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William H. Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, James Garfield, Chester A. Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and Bill Clinton didn't wear flag pins. And Richard Nixon only occasionally wore his. Yup, A time honored American tradition alright.

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I have no opinion on Bush, as I disagree with him on a lot of things, but take a look at this picture. A lot of people put their hand over their stomach instead of their chest. At least he still shows appreciation to America.

Yeah, Obama had his hands crossed over his waist, and furthermore, he was actually singing along to it. That shows respect, does it not?

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Like I said before, I can't control what ungrateful citizens do, but I will complain about presidential candidates not doing so. Are any of those people running for president? No, they're not. Therefore that's not necessary.

Why do you call them ungrateful? I'll bet that more of them are more patriotic than you, they just don't see how holding their hand over their heart determines their patriotism.
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NO FLAG LAPEL! Lookes like you are voting Nader this year.


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OMG, HE IS WEARING ONE!!! He must be the best person to vote for!

Oh yeah..and one thing..OBAMA ISNT THE DAMN PRESIDENT YET!!!


And a soldier doesn't fight for freedom..thats what they say. They actually fight for there lives, in a war they never should have been in. It is people like you who got Bush voted in to a second term.

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Wearing wings doesnt make me the frigging tooth fairy any more than wearing a pin makes anyone a patriot.
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Apr 28 2008, 09:38 PM
I'd call it setting a liberal straight who knows nothing about soldiers and what they fight for.

You're 14 and you're already on a liberal hate bandwagon?

Should have known. I'm a centrist btw, looks like you don't know anything.
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Apr 29 2008, 01:13 PM
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Apr 28 2008, 09:38 PM
I'd call it setting a liberal straight who knows nothing about soldiers and what they fight for.

You're 14 and you're already on a liberal hate bandwagon?

Should have known. I'm a centrist btw, looks like you don't know anything.

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The fact that people worry about where a possible president's hand is during a certain song/poem more than they worry about their beliefs or ideas makes me worry about the future of this country.

If you ask me, what they want to do should be of higher concern than their patriotism or "lack thereof".
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Apr 25 2008, 07:06 PM
Americans are fed up with Iraq. The American army is in such bad shape it can't possibly take on Iran or North Korea,if they did. They would be crushed,and some want this to bring America's ego down to Earth.

I know this was not the aim of this topic, but in all seriousness, your wrong. What in the world indicates the USA would be crushed by these two countries.

The USA navy and air force are at a level right now where they can kind of do as they please.
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