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Indoctrination of Children; What are your opinions?
Topic Started: Apr 28 2008, 01:21 PM (1,143 Views)
Charlo
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The amount of indoctrination going on in Christian and other religious households is terrible. It's simply not right to teach your kids something that might not be true. People get up in arms about lying to your kids about Santa, what about lying to your kids about Jesus? You might not think of it as a lie, but any rational person can see that it could easily be untrue. It shouldn't be taught as truth to impressionable young children. You CAN say to your child "this is what me and my spouse believe..." and tell them about your religion, but you shouldn't force them to go to church or punish them for not following in your footsteps. That breeds intolerance, ignorance, and an unthinking attitude towards life.

I personally am extremely bitter towards my parents for making me be religious for the first sixteen years of my life. I never truly believed, but I tried as hard as I could to please them and be a good Christian child. Now I see that I was essentially lied to all those years, and it pisses me off. I am able to forgive them, but I will never forget the indoctrination.

Has anybody ever thought what the state of the church would be if none of the children had ever been forced by their parents to become religious? Left to their own free will, I am absolutely convinced that children would never become religious on their own. Christianity would just be a large, elaborate fairytale on the same level as Jack and the Beanstalk.

People can believe whatever they want, but don't force it on other people. Parents can parent their kids however they want, but that doesn't justify anything. It's still morally irresponsible.
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That's his/her choice if they want to smoke. Who am I to tell them what to do with their own bodies? I don't own them.

But that's not love. Not caring if your child destroys his or her own body isn't love. If anything, I'd call that abuse.

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As for hell.

You don't know that an afterlife exists, you assume, you believe. Telling a child they will go to hell if they don't believe in a certain religion is child abuse, one of the worst kinds.

But the Christian parents believe that, and they don't want their child to be separated from God, and neither does God. Is telling a child they will die if they jump off a 1000-foot cliff considered child abuse?

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If I were a religious parent, I would still raise my children in a secular environment.

I doubt that.
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Apr 29 2008, 04:44 PM
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That's his/her choice if they want to smoke. Who am I to tell them what to do with their own bodies? I don't own them.

But that's not love. Not caring if your child destroys his or her own body isn't love. If anything, I'd call that abuse.
I never said I wouldn't care, you're not understanding. It's their body, I don't own them. I'm speaking of 18+ on the smoking issue, before that however, is different.
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As for hell.

You don't know that an afterlife exists, you assume, you believe. Telling a child they will go to hell if they don't believe in a certain religion is child abuse, one of the worst kinds.

But the Christian parents believe that, and they don't want their child to be separated from God, and neither does God. Is telling a child they will die if they jump off a 1000-foot cliff considered child abuse?
But you see, you know that jumping off a reasonably tall cliff will result in death. You don't know that you're god is the real deal, you don't know that hell or heaven exist. You're believing, believing something is true does not make it true. What if it just turns out that your religion was wrong? Or all were wrong? You can't claim absolute certainty and drag your kids along on your wishful thinking train.
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If I were a religious parent, I would still raise my children in a secular environment.

I doubt that.
Why do you doubt that? My mother is a Catholic, and she raised me in a secular home, I am very grateful.

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Bry
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Apr 29 2008, 11:44 PM
Is telling a child they will die if they jump off a 1000-foot cliff considered child abuse?

No, because it isn't imposing their religious beliefs on them. They are just telling the kid what will happen when the jump off a cliff.
Preaching to them is entirely different, because they won't go to hell when they die if they do not believe in god. That's called lying.
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I never said I wouldn't care, you're not understanding. It's their body, I don't own them. I'm speaking of 18+ on the smoking issue, before that however, is different.

Alright, then would you allow your child to commit suicide?

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But you see, you know that jumping off a reasonably tall cliff will result in death. You don't know that you're god is the real deal, you don't know that hell or heaven exist. You're believing, believing something is true does not make it true. What if it just turns out that your religion was wrong? Or all were wrong? You can't claim absolute certainty and drag your kids along on your wishful thinking train.

I can't be positive that what I believe is true. You're right on that, but I can believe it strongly enough that it's justifiable to teach it to my children. If my children didn't believe it, I'd still love them. But it would still make me sad.

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Why do you doubt that? My mother is a Catholic, and she raised me in a secular home, I am very grateful.

Well, I guess it depends on the person.

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No, because it isn't imposing their religious beliefs on them. They are just telling the kid what will happen when the jump off a cliff.
Preaching to them is entirely different, because they won't go to hell when they die if they do not believe in god. That's called lying.

You can't call it lying until you prove it's not true. Now, I'm not going to scold my children and yell "You believe this or you'll go to hell!" And like I said, if they don't believe it, I'd still love them just as much as I would if they did believe it.
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Alright, then would you allow your child to commit suicide?

Entirely different issue, smoking anything doesn't guarantee death. As with any friend, I would do my best to stop them from ending their life.

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You can't call it lying until you prove it's not true. Now, I'm not going to scold my children and yell "You believe this or you'll go to hell!" And like I said, if they don't believe it, I'd still love them just as much as I would if they did believe it.

It shouldn't be us that has to prove it wrong, it should be you who has to prove it right.
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Apr 28 2008, 09:44 PM
What is wrong with impressing what you believe onto your children?

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I agree. But I say we go one step further, and just leave our kids on an island with only eachother so they can form their own beliefs and see how that works out. Lol, no loving parent would teach their own beliefs to their children, that is so wrong.
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Apr 29 2008, 06:45 PM
I agree. But I say we go one step further, and just leave our kids on an island with only eachother so they can form their own beliefs and see how that works out. Lol, no loving parent would teach their own beliefs to their children, that is so wrong.

Looks like you enjoy being a sarcastic prick, that's cool.
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chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 07:48 PM
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Apr 29 2008, 06:45 PM
I agree. But I say we go one step further, and just leave our kids on an island with only eachother so they can form their own beliefs and see how that works out. Lol, no loving parent would teach their own beliefs to their children, that is so wrong.

Looks like you enjoy being a sarcastic prick, that's cool.

no lol. i just hate when parents try to teach their kids something. its like, lol, you should just let the kid do what it wants, its wrong to teach it anything. gah i just get so frustrated with it
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chezpotato
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Apr 29 2008, 06:56 PM
chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 07:48 PM
SyringeX
Apr 29 2008, 06:45 PM
I agree. But I say we go one step further, and just leave our kids on an island with only eachother so they can form their own beliefs and see how that works out. Lol, no loving parent would teach their own beliefs to their children, that is so wrong.

Looks like you enjoy being a sarcastic prick, that's cool.

no lol. i just hate when parents try to teach their kids something. its like, lol, you should just let the kid do what it wants, its wrong to teach it anything. gah i just get so frustrated with it

You're not funny, you know.

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chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 08:00 PM
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Apr 29 2008, 06:56 PM
chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 07:48 PM
SyringeX
Apr 29 2008, 06:45 PM
I agree. But I say we go one step further, and just leave our kids on an island with only eachother so they can form their own beliefs and see how that works out. Lol, no loving parent would teach their own beliefs to their children, that is so wrong.

Looks like you enjoy being a sarcastic prick, that's cool.

no lol. i just hate when parents try to teach their kids something. its like, lol, you should just let the kid do what it wants, its wrong to teach it anything. gah i just get so frustrated with it

You're not funny, you know.

nah youre just too closed minded to understand a good argument. parents trying to pass on any belief is just so wrong.
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Apr 29 2008, 07:05 PM
chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 08:00 PM
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Apr 29 2008, 06:56 PM
chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 07:48 PM
SyringeX
Apr 29 2008, 06:45 PM
I agree. But I say we go one step further, and just leave our kids on an island with only eachother so they can form their own beliefs and see how that works out. Lol, no loving parent would teach their own beliefs to their children, that is so wrong.

Looks like you enjoy being a sarcastic prick, that's cool.

no lol. i just hate when parents try to teach their kids something. its like, lol, you should just let the kid do what it wants, its wrong to teach it anything. gah i just get so frustrated with it

You're not funny, you know.

nah youre just too closed minded to understand a good argument. parents trying to pass on any belief is just so wrong.

I've presented a good argument, and understand good ones as well. This thread has obviously hurt your little feelings and you feel the need to attack me instead of actually presenting an argument, other than calling me closed minded.

I'm actually a very open minded individual, so why don't you shut up, or stop posting immature attacks.
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chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 08:08 PM
SyringeX
Apr 29 2008, 07:05 PM
chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 08:00 PM
SyringeX
Apr 29 2008, 06:56 PM
chezpotato
Apr 29 2008, 07:48 PM
SyringeX
Apr 29 2008, 06:45 PM
I agree. But I say we go one step further, and just leave our kids on an island with only eachother so they can form their own beliefs and see how that works out. Lol, no loving parent would teach their own beliefs to their children, that is so wrong.

Looks like you enjoy being a sarcastic prick, that's cool.

no lol. i just hate when parents try to teach their kids something. its like, lol, you should just let the kid do what it wants, its wrong to teach it anything. gah i just get so frustrated with it

You're not funny, you know.

nah youre just too closed minded to understand a good argument. parents trying to pass on any belief is just so wrong.

I've presented a good argument, and understand good ones as well. This thread has obviously hurt your little feelings and you feel the need to attack me instead of actually presenting an argument, other than calling me closed minded.

I'm actually a very open minded individual, so why don't you shut up, or stop posting immature attacks.

lol so many ironies in your post. so telling someone to shutup is open minded? and no, it hasnt hurt my feelings, i just think its hilarious.
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chezpotato
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Apr 29 2008, 07:11 PM
lol so many ironies in your post. so telling someone to shutup is open minded? and no, it hasnt hurt my feelings, i just think its hilarious.

Do you even know what irony means?

I'm going to ignore the rest of your posts if you continue to post useless shit. All you've done is attacked me and not presented anything to counter. All you're saying is "lol ur dumb".

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